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Proposed deletion of Marlin-class submarine

The article Marlin-class submarine has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Could not find reliable sources to establish notability.

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If there are reliable sources about this submarine design, some data could be upmerged to the the designer article, DCNS. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom)

1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 17:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Bertrand_Clauzel

Sorry I am new to wiki so apologises if this is the wrong place to ask, I requested peer review following some changes I made to the linked article. LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 18:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion on the infobox result and territorial changes of the Granada War

There is an ongoing discussion on Talk:Granada War about the result and territorial changes on the infobox of the article. Feel free to participate. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chyah airstrike#Requested move 6 January 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Behind Enemy Lines (1986 film)#Requested move 19 January 2025

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Discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 23:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments

There are comments at Talk:Al-Faddayn that might be of interest to editors here. -- Otr500 (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments on Notes section

There are comments at Talk:Fourth Fitna, that may be of interest to editors, especially any on the Middle East, Medieval, or Early Muslim task forces. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 8th Military Police Brigade (United States)

8th Military Police Brigade (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Projekt TYTAN

The article Projekt TYTAN has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved almost 15 years. No reliable sources online Google. Not enough information to merge.

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Requested move at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 03:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC

Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. FOARP (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Supermarine Spitfire

Supermarine Spitfire has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision#Requested move 30 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision#Requested move 30 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 06:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Trebizond#Requested move 17 January 2025

An editor has requested that Trebizond be moved to Trebizond (disambiguation), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 05:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Edwin Donayre

Edwin Donayre has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Talk:KN-02 Toksa#Requested move 5 January 2025

An editor has requested that KN-02 Toksa be moved to Hwasong-11, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TCU9999 (talk) 11:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Article bounty: Badush prison massacre

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Requested move at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 22:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, 2025

Currently, this project has about ~673 210 articles in need of some reference clean-up. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of clean-up, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper clean-up). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

To do

1. 1954 in Vietnam
2. 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division
3. 3rd Battalion of the Military Units of the Uprising Emergency of Socialists
4. Almohad wars in the Iberian Peninsula
5. André Masséna
6. Armenian–Azerbaijani war (1918–1920)
7. Battle of Mang Yang Pass
8. Battle of Morotai
9. Battle of Niakhura
10. Battle of Shumshu
11. Battle of the Soyang River
12. Benjamin Netanyahu
13. Byzantine Empire
14. Carus' Sasanian Campaign (283)
15. Equites
16. First Indochina War
17. German AB-Aktion in Poland
18. HMS Retriever (1917)
19. Hugh O'Donnell, 2nd Earl of Tyrconnell
20. Ii Naomasa
21. Israeli war crimes in the Gaza war
22. Jassa Singh Ramgarhia
23. List of active People's Liberation Army Air Force aircraft
24. List of equipment of the Azerbaijani Land Forces
25. List of massacres in Serbia
26. Maki Mirage
27. Margaret Thatcher
28. Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik
29. Motorised Submersible Canoe
30. Moyuru ōzora
31. Mullivaikkal Hospital bombings
32. Mōri Terumoto
33. Nabatieh Fawka attack
34. Nagorno-Karabakh conflict
35. Nair Brigade
36. Nakajima Homare
37. Nakajima Sakae
38. Nakazawa Koto
39. Nakba
40. Narmer
41. Naval history of Vietnam
42. Ngāti Maru–Ngati Tūwharetoa War
43. Nikephoros II Phokas
44. Ninja
45. Noel Malcolm
46. Norman Porteous
47. Novi Sad raid
48. Odjak of Algiers
49. Operation Camargue
50. Operation Long Jump
51. Opsikion
52. Order of National Security Merit
53. Outline of George Washington
54. Parakramabahu I
55. Passage of Humaitá
56. Pasto Campaign
57. Paul von Rennenkampf
58. Paulus Mopeli Mokhachane
59. Pedro Silva Gil
60. Peking Field Force
61. People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan
62. People's Liberation Army Air Force Airborne Corps
63. People's Liberation Army Air Force
64. People's Volunteer Army
65. Perley P. Pitkin
66. Perseus (spy)
67. Peruvian Civil War of 1894–1895
68. Peruvian resistance movement in the War of the Pacific
69. Petar Pešić
70. Peter II of Yugoslavia
71. Phan Xuân Nhuận
72. Philippine–American War
73. Pierre, Duke of Penthièvre
74. Polish–Lithuanian relations during World War II
75. Polish–Teutonic Wars
76. Polish–Ukrainian conflict (1939–1947)
77. Political violence in Turkey (1976–1980)
78. Poljanak and Vukovići massacres
79. Pontic Greek genocide
80. Portuguese Army
81. Portuguese invasion of the Banda Oriental (1811–1812)
82. Prelude to the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)
83. Presidency of Charles de Gaulle
84. Prewar period (Kosovo)
85. Prince Władysław's March on Moscow
86. Progonos Sgouros
87. Prytanée national militaire
88. Rashidun Caliphate
89. Reconstruction era
90. Red Army invasion of Azerbaijan
91. Richmond Park
92. Ridda Wars
93. SU-152G
94. Sakakibara Yasumasa
95. Samad bey Mehmandarov
96. Sardar Chuhar Singh
97. Sardarilal Mathradas Nanda
98. Shapur II's Arab campaign
99. Shuliang He
100. Siege of Bijapur
101. Siege of Caizhou
102. Siege of Coron (1685)
103. Siege of Dara (604–605)
104. Siege of Dorpat (1558)
105. Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)
106. Siege of Jülich (1621–1622)
107. Siege of Lazarevsky
108. Siege of Mouzon
109. Siege of Nicaea (1328–1331)
110. Siege of Osaka
111. Siege of Paris (1435–1436)
112. Siege of Riga (1621)
113. Siege of Sirhind
114. Siege of Songping
115. Siege of Taormina (962)
116. Siege of Uruguaiana
117. Siege of Varva (1658)
118. Sierra Leone Civil War
119. Sino-Dutch conflicts
120. Sisak People's Liberation Partisan Detachment
121. Six-Day War
122. Skanderbeg
123. Skarphéðinn Njálsson
124. Slave rebellion
125. Slavic migrations to the Balkans
126. Slovak National Uprising
127. Slovak Republic (1939–1945)
128. Sogdia
129. Sohrab Khan Gorji (Iranian treasurer)
130. Soldaderas
131. Somali National Army
132. Somaliland War of Independence
133. Somali–Portuguese conflicts
134. South Sudanese Civil War
135. Southern Tang campaign against Chu
136. Southern Tang conquest of Min
137. Soviet Armed Forces
138. Soviet Union in World War II
139. Spain during World War I
140. Spanish Armed Forces
141. Spanish colonization of the Americas
142. Spanish occupation of Tangier (1940–1945)
143. Special international tribunal for the crime of aggression (Russian invasion of Ukraine)
144. Spelling alphabet
145. Stratagem of Peshawar
146. Sudetendeutsches Freikorps
147. Sutton Hoo helmet
148. Syrian Arab Armed Forces
149. Syrian Hezbollah
150. Syrian civil war
151. São Paulo Revolt of 1924 in the interior
152. São Paulo Revolt of 1924
153. Sébastien Le Prestre, Marquis of Vauban
154. T92 light tank
155. Tachibana Dōsetsu
156. Tachibana Muneshige
157. Takeda Shingen
158. Talaat Pasha
159. Tambov Rebellion
160. Tanker war
161. Teragaki Izō
162. Territory of the Islamic State
163. Terrorism in Lebanon
164. Theodore I Laskaris
165. Third Battle of Panipat
166. Tirailleurs indochinois
167. Tokugawa Ieyasu
168. Torsion mangonel myth
169. Toyotomi Hideyoshi
170. Transition from Ming to Qing
171. Trial by combat
172. Tripartite Struggle
173. Trần dynasty military tactics and organization
174. Trịnh Kiểm
175. Turkmen Ground Forces
176. Tōdō Takatora
177. Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad
178. Uesugi Kenshin
179. Ukrainian Insurgent Army
180. Ukrainian People's Revolutionary Army
181. Umar ibn Ubayd Allah ibn Ma'mar
182. United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda
183. United Provinces of the Río de la Plata
184. United States in World War I
185. United States news media and the Vietnam War
186. United States war crimes
187. Uprising in Serbia (1941)
188. Uralvagonzavod
189. Uroš Tešanović
190. Urus Khan
191. Uzdol massacre
192. Valencian Canton
193. Vasić M12
194. Venetian expedition to the Levant (1099–1100)
195. Veselin Misita
196. Viking Age in Estonia
197. Vuk Mandušić
198. Waldemar Erfurth
199. War crimes in the Gaza war
200. War of succession
201. War of the Galician Succession (1205–1245)
202. Warriors of Christ the King
203. Wartime sexual violence
204. Weather events during wars
205. Wehib Pasha
206. Wehrmachthelferin
207. Wei Yan
208. Western Fleet (India)
209. Western Sahara War
210. Élysée Accords

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 595 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 554 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 489 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 385 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 337 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 307 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 221 articles remain. Boo Boo (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 210 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

FWIW my experience with these has been that they tend to be the following issues with the following solutions:

• Sfn was copypasted from somewhere else, has no original cite. Solution: replace with either a new reference or {{cn}} tags.
• Sfn has a typo in the name and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo.
• Sfn has an incorrect year and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo if it's an error, add a new reference or {{cn}} tags if the Sfn is to a work missing an original cite. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 05:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

In my experience, about 20-25% of the time, the short footnote is copied from another, related article, without the full citation being brought over. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Could you have a look at Margaret Thatcher? It is on the list but I cannot see anything amiss. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I can't find anything either. Maybe @Trappist the monk: can help here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

At this long-form reference (permalink), replace:

| author={{text|New Scientist}} |author-mask=[{{italics correction|''New Scientist''}}]

with:

|ref={{sfnref|''New Scientist''|1983}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Done. Strange that the error wasn't shown by the script. Then again, the anchor worked, so this was a false positive. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Merge Chinese destroyer Shenzhen (167) and Type 051B destroyer

Shenzhen(167) is the only member of the type 051B class, and other single-ship classes(e.g. Soviet destroyer Opytny and USS Enterprise (CVN-65)) only have one article for the ship class and the ship itself. Can someone please merge these two articles together?(i'm not the most familiar with merge protocol even though i have been here for some time already) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Siege of Groningen 1672

The article has been expanded and in my opinion it's not a stub anymore VidarVN (talk) 10:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi VidarVN. Neat! I suggest that you submit it here for a reassessment. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Lists of lists

How should we classify lists of lists, such as Lists of massacres in Palestine or List of equipment of the United States Marine Corps. I had previously thought these were closest to Wikipedia:Set index articles, however, after reading that page I am left more confused about what SIAs but it seems not to cover this. It seems a bit strange to classify lists of lists alongside regular lists when they won't (and probably shouldn't) expand beyond basic bullet points and won't ever meet b-class criteria? - Dumelow (talk) 12:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Do we even need a list of lists for military equipment? It could easily be moved into the appropriate template or into the see also section of the individual lists. Gavbadger (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Third Anglo-Afghan War - RfC

Requesting uninvolved opinions for the discussion at Talk:Third_Anglo-Afghan_War#Changing_the_results. It concerns the result parameter of this article. - Ratnahastin (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

A couple of experienced editors might resolve this otherwise it will probably go to an RfC. Be warned, it is a wall of text but the issues aren't all that hard to pick out. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:55, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

• Please see Talk:Third_Anglo-Afghan_War#RfC on result in the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Let's see how many more harmless eloctrons we can murder trying to resolve this. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Scope of wikiproject military history

May I ask for topics like coast guards and gendarmerie(e.g. stuff like coast guard ships, people's armed police/russian national guard units) are they primarily under the scope of Wikiproject law enforcement or wikiproject military history? On the talk page wikiproject banner I usually put in both but if I have queries/need help on one of these topics do I find help on wikiproject law enforcement, wikiproject military history or a completely different wikiproject(e.g. wikiproject ships, wikiproject china/russia etc) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:48, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Query re: Royal Navy sailor

Hello. I had a query that I thought someone on this taskforce might be able to answer. I have taken this picture of the tomb of A. Smith, while died in March 1918, and was stationed on HMS President. I was wondering if anyone had a means of ascertaining whether this relates to HMS President (1918) or HMS President (shore establishment). McPhail (talk) 16:30, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi, the ship didn't become HMS President until 1922, so will be the shore establishment. Gavbadger (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I think President was used as a catchall for men between assignments so he might not have actually served at that particular location. If you were interested in finding more you can download Alexander Smith's service record from the National Archives for £3.50 - Dumelow (talk) 12:22, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

If you create an account, you can download the service record for free. It says he was at President from 27 April 1916. I can't read the handwriting in the document too well. Gavbadger (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Plausibly a victim of the first wave of the Spanish flu pandemic; young men sleeping in confined spaces were particularly vulnerable. Alansplodge (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

@McPhail: Using the document linked by Dumelow, Smith died in the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, from "malignant disease of glands of neck". He had previously been serving at a depot as an instructor to mechanic candidates. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Just a small correction: he was appointed for instructing candidates for Mechanician, a Chief Petty Officer rating. Since he was borne on the books of President I'm wondering if the depot referred to is the Crystal Palace, but in that case there was no Commander-in-Chief connected, and how on earth did he end up in a Glasgow hospital? —Simon Harley (Talk). 05:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you everyone - that is all really helpful. I will update the image info. McPhail (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Worth noting that the below Telegraphist J. A. Smith of HMS C25 was his son. He is otherwise listed on the Chatham Naval Memorial, having been washed overboard from the submarine. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

WPMH articles which don't have short descriptions

Hi everyone. I have noticed an issue similar to the one pointed out by Headbomb re: WPMH articles which have Harv/Sfn errors. I wanted to help out with WP:WPSHORTDESC and added short descriptions to 16 WPMH articles in no time. I thought there could be a search query to automate the identification of WPMH articles which do not have short descriptions. The search query is "-hastemplate" "deepcat:battles", and the link for running this query is [1]. This query returns ~3,300 results. Of these, about 5-8% might be false positives, but there are still 3,000 articles which need short descriptions. I think we might be able to help out here significantly, since adding short descriptions is much easier than locating missing sources which cause Harv/Sfn errors.

The SHORTDESC WikiProject says there are around 781,429 articles without short descriptions. There might be more WPMH articles in this total, since I've only searched for articles which have the Battles category, but there are surely many from other categories like MILHIST biographies, weaponry etc. I think we could help reduce 4 - 10% of this absurdly large number, which would be very helpful for the project. I'm also thinking of launching an effort for WPMH articles which are orphans (those which don't have links from any other articles). Please let me know if anyone could help come up with a search query for this effort, or for finding all WPMH articles without short descriptions. Matarisvan (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi, for the Military History WikiProject, (clean up list here) and (Orphaned list here) Gavbadger (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't see how it would be helpful for the project. It seems like a waste of time. They could be automatically added from Wikidata. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7, Wikidata usually has inadequate short descriptions, and therefore they have to be refined anyways, which defeats the purpose of automating the process. Also, I don't know if this will be true for everyone, but it has helped me discover many new WPMH articles I could contribute to. Matarisvan (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

What's the point of short descriptions? They are invisible except in the edit space, which seems pointless to me. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

In the mobile phone version of Wikipedia, you have related topics for each article at the bottom of the page. It shows the infobox picture, name of the article and the short description. Also in the mobile version it shows the same information when you use the search function. Gavbadger (talk) 14:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Aah, thanks. Keith-264 (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Infobox concern

Hi, I'm kinda new here in Wikipedia and I've been exploring a bit relating to World War II articles. But I have a little concern. The redirecting link which is Fascist Italy was used in infoboxes in World War II battles where Italy is involved in instead using the Kingdom of Italy which was the official Italian state despite under Fascist rule, which Fascist Italy was only used as a common term to describe the Kingdom of Italy under Fascist regime. While other infoboxes, like the Kingdom of Romania used this as a redirecting link instead of the Kingdom of Romania under Fascism during its period which you can see it's quite odd. Thank you for anyone who can respond this. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 21:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the talk page for Fascist Italy, it seems there were a few requested moves on whether it should be Kingdom of Italy under Fascism or not. You can see them linked in the banners at the top of the talk page and you can look at the arguments made for why it was kept. Of course you can create a new requested move yourself if you desire. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 21:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, but I'm talking about the usage of Fascist Italy instead of the Kingdom of Italy in the infobox (Template:Infobox military conflict) as a redirecting link in World War II battles where Italy is involved in. For example, the Greco-Italian War or the Battle of Gazala. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean now. I have no idea why there's that little bit of inconsistency. If you can't find any reasons why its like that, then WP:BEBOLD. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 20:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

US Army Code of Conduct

The Battle of Bamber Bridge article refers to the "US Army Code of Conduct", which is a redlink. However, this cannot be the Code of the United States Fighting Force, which came much later; could it be the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Or something else, like specific uniform regulations? — The Anome (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

I am no expert but as far as I can see the wearing of uniform by US forces in the Second World War was enforced under section 125 of the National Defense Act of 1920. This is referred to in the Army Regulations 600-40 booklet issued to troops periodically throughout the war to specify what should be worn and when (you can see a 1941 example here, page 13 includes the reference to enforcement under the NDA by fine or imprisonment). You can read the relevant part of the NDA including later amendments in this 1942 book - Dumelow (talk) 12:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

So there was a 1955 Code of Conduct --see this reference particularly page 21 (of the original, not the pdf) -- the doc quotes the text, and includes citations and explanatory commentary. AR 350-30 is the original. I'm not aware of whether there was a 1943-era version that predates this, but if I were to hear "US Army Code of Conduct" without other qualification, this is what I'd assume it's referring to. Not sure if that helps clarify anything as the 1955 CoC is mostly about POWs. Perhaps someone was confused about the "responsible for my actions" portion of the 1955 doc and retroactively tried to apply it to 1943? ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

And I should have probably checked before writing that, but what I'm referring to is what you posted above as the Code of the United States Fighting Force (not sure that's the correct common name -- every document I've ever seen calls it the Code of Conduct, hence the confusion).⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Chinese military/paramilitary topics which need improvement or creation

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: (though anyone helping out is fine, I just hope the coordinators are aware of this) Here is a list of articles/pages related to the chinese military which need to be improved/created(along with how difficult it likely will be and overall importance)

1. Chinese landing helicopter dock Guangxi - Difficulty: Easy; Importance: Mid-High; Issue: Article needs creation. Guangxi commissioned in 2021 and after 4 years it still has no article; it's not that it ain't notable either, it is a literal LHD and has received tonnes of media attention from both within and outside china(you can find tonnes of articles on it, such as this, this and this). Luckily wikimedia commons already has a photo of the ship, and the ship badge can be found here(Website is Guangxi province department of veteran's affairs, which is an official goverment site). I am planning to personally go in a make this article when I have time(aka next time i have holiday in april) but it will be really appreciated if somebody makes it first.
2. Type 051B destroyer and Chinese destroyer Shenzhen - Difficulty: Mid; Importance: Low-Mid; Issue: Merge needed. The type 051B is a single ship class, which means there is only one article needed. Info is overlapping even though Shenzhen has more citations. I would suggest merging Shenzhen into the type 051B article first and then renaming the Type 051B article, as the type 051B article has more links to other languages.
3. Somali Naval Escort Operation of the People's Liberation Army - Difficulty: Easy; Importance: High; Issue: Grammar, article is piratically orphaned, article also needs more links and also lacks good citations for such a discussed topic. The article itself reeks of google translate; The naming of the navy ships is also completely ridiculous(luckily I have tried to help out and fixed the ones at the top); However the good news is it is easy to see which navy ship the article is referring to, for example 998 Kunlunshan means Chinese landing ship kunlunshan(as it has the pennant number 998) and Ma'anshan class frigate 525 refers to Chinese frigate Ma'anshan.
4. Articles related to China Coast Guard. - Difficulty: Easy-Hard; Importance:Mid; Issue: Incorrect ship names. Many sources incorrectly call chinese coast guard ships CCG - (number), when in reality they are called Haijing(chinese for coast guard or marine police) (number), as with the case with Chinese cutter Haijing 5901. This can be solved by just simply replacing CCG with Haijing. Additionally chinese wikipedia has a long list of chinese coast guard cutters with their actual names, which we can cross reference with English wikipedia's
5. Articles related to the former China Marine Surveillance - Difficulty: Mid-Hard; Importance:Low-Mid; Issue: Many articles are outdated. Many ship articles of the CMS are outdated(by approx 12 years, as the CMS was merged into the CCG in 2013) and are missing the fact that all CMS ships were transferred to the CCG and their new CCG names. The biggest problem for this is the fact that sources stating what CMS ships were renamed to often are self published sources(though reliable sources also exsist). Additionally the names of the North China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration(自然资源部北海局), East China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration(自然资源部东海局) and the South China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration(自然资源部南海局) are often mistakenly called the "North china sea branch", "east china sea branch" and the "south china sea branch" which is a mistranslation(局 translates to bureau, not branch). Additionally the wrong name "CCG" is also often present.
6. QBZ-03 - Difficulty: Mid; Importance: Low; Issue: Sources needed. Many sources, though mostly unusable, point to use of the QBZ-03 in the PLANMC and PLAAF Airborne Corps, if possible we should find more reliable sources that point to these claims.
7. Type 056 corvette - Difficulty: Very high; Importance: Low-mid; Issue: Lack of info on coast guard transfer. In 2021, all type 056 corvettes(only including the original version, does not include Type 056A corvettes) were handed over to the Chinese coast guard. The english article has no info on the new pennant numbers(while the chinese article shows all the new numbers). There are also photos online of coast guard type 056 corvettes with the new pennant numbers, just that there are a lack of usable sources to confirm which corvettes were renamed to what(though not completely non-existent, as many sources say so though they are not usable on wikipedia). Additionally there are claims that the former type 056 corvette Qinzhou(597; 钦州) was renamed to Qingzhou(青州; number 21611), however what we do know is that a coast guard type 056 corvette from the guangdong coast guard bureau due to it's bust of smuggled tobacco. Could somebody help confirm the new pennant numbers from chinese wikipedia by finding reliable sources? Additionally should we consider splitting the article for the original type 056 and the type 056A corvettes, as chinese wikipedia has already done so
8. Category:Military installations of China - Difficulty: Easy-Mid; Importance: Low; Issue: Needs some tidying up. We should also separate the installations by military branch and there is also a notable lack of bases belonging to the People's Liberation army aerospace force, which, we should not forget, is part of the PLA which means their bases count as military installations.

Tips:

• If you know chinese, try using Chinese sources instead; they tend to be more reliable than english sources which are often outdated or mistranslated; however make sure they are not self published sources first.

Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac, you can add these articles to the Chinese MILHIST taskforce, under the heading articles which need to be created. Matarisvan (talk) 05:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Already did so for some of them Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)